Jared, why is it stupid to bring up Julie now .. points out flaws in Toni’s ramblings, thats why?

I supported Julie as much as the others, but when she was found, I didn’t get silent like Toni and some of the others. I put my 2 cents on the blog where she was exposed. To which Toni had messaged me saying “She is not like that, why not giver her another chance and that he WILL post a FULL interview with her apology because she will never do it again, she promises!” I personally will give Toni more credibility if he posts that interview he said he would.

And since when is it okay to condone design thieves but concentrate all your energy something like Brandstack and Crowdspring. Go make a logo or website or something creative and useful, I say!

It doesn’t point out Toni’s flaws, it highlights his points.  Brandstack is full of other young, inexperienced, care-free designers who are willing to do anything for a buck and some recognition.  Jon Engle was active on Incspring, too.  Why not bring him into it?  Brandstack is under moderated and bad for the design business.  It makes all of us real designers have to be on our toes more.

Brandstack condones theft.  Period.

Brandstack condones theft you say.

But so does Toni. Then what gives him the right to crucify them? That is all I am saying.

I didn’t bring Jon into it, because I didn’t see Toni promoting Jon and he didn’t condone what Jon did. He was their with his pitchfork when the whole Jon incident happened. But I saw him promote and condone Julie, so I brought her up.

I think you have to practice before you preach, don’t you reckon?

If you are a great designer/good designer, chances are most of your work is local, the real experience IMO, where you meet up with clients, there is one on one interaction. Even if you don’t meet up, it is someone who has liked your work and has approached you via email or phone. Nothing beats that for a designer. The respect and satisfaction resulting from that process is what is important don’t you think?

How then can amateur designers on any website let that be Brandstack or any other make real designers like us be on our toes? If you are good, you are good and clients who are worth their money know good stuff when they see it!

?? I’m saying any designer worth his stones who posts on Logopond and other inspiration sites needs to be on his toes for theft from lesser sites like Brandstack, Crowdspring, etc. I’ll always have clients.

I get that.

But the culprit also is sites like Logopond. Who’s to say someone is not ripping off your “logo inspiration” from Logopond this very minute and presenting it to their clients for 100s and 1000s of dollars? Yet, I don’t see sites like Logopond being crucified [Don’t get me wrong, I love Logopond :-)]. And then stock sites of course ... seems to me, if there were no inspiration websites, bad/amateur designers would become extinct. [Now that’s a happy thought]

Remember what is happening with Raja Sandhu’s Merchant Logix logo. That is high profile ripping off IMO and yet Crowdspring and Brandstack are not a part of it.

Okay, I am done for the day I promise .. I’ve got to get back to work! :D

I’m saying any designer worth his stones who posts on Logopond and other inspiration sites needs to be on his toes for theft from lesser sites like Brandstack, Crowdspring, etc.

Sorry, last thing I write before I go.

We need to be on our toes from theft .. agreed! What you are implying is that Brandstack and Crowdspring staff heads on to Logopond, picks up stuff from there and sells it on their sites, which is inaccurate. You have to rise above the bashing to see, the problem is amateur designers here, who think they can make a quick buck. They are the ones stealing our stuff, not the websites themselves. I don’t know about Crowdspring. But I have myself pointed out a logo on Brandstack which was a direct rip-off of a Twisted Tree Vector and User who submitted it was suspended from the site. If they would have still kept selling that logo, then I would say, they are condoning theft!!

Sneh, how is anything you said even relevant to the article or Brandstacks business model.

Who cares about Julie? Who cares if I raped a nun? who the hell cares if im a hacker or a blacksmith or a bloody homophobic butt cracker?

if anything this just shows how bad brandstack is that it has users like you come here and use retarded BS as an argument. everything you said up there had nothing to do with the business model that was being discussed. Is that really the best argument you had? being on the defensive is one thing, showing everyone you’re painfully illiterate is another.

Please take a deep breath, open up a dictionary and look up the word ‘discussion’, not that it might help you god forbid.

For the sake of humoring you really quickly, yeah I backed Julie up, and yeah i actually backed Jon up behind the scenes, ask jared, MikeE too, I have emails and PMs that prove it all. I was asked to fire back at StockArt via ranking and mass blogs/articles (i run over 250 sites, things like that help) but thank god, i didnt. A day after I was asked to help, heck it was only 8 or 9 hours later, people found out John was BS’ing everyone, saved me a whole lot of heart ache. Unfortunately I wasnt as lucky when it came to JK. So what? I made a mistake backing her up like those who backed up John, guilty as charged for being semi human.

True I did advertise incsrping/Brandstack back then, but this was like back in April, back then honestly incspring wasnt as bad, it was only starting out and even MikeE was a member, lots were, I had registered (though never uploaded my work). Testing out the waters if you like, once things turned sour, a while before Julie was found out i turned anti incspring having learned the truth about a lot of what was going on there. So again, even the crap you did mention up there is irrelevant. Heck, weren’t you the one who coined the “designers at Incspring/Brandstack are cooking up logos faster than you can say LOGO?” I think it was, yeah a few sales later your tone has changed, good girl, gooood girl, here you go up up…good girl.

Please if you’re going to reply make sure it’s based on the topic at hand, Brandstacks business model, otherwise spare me a long retarded reply like the one you shot Jared leaving him all ???? :P my god. Sometimes people just make you wonder whats wrong with the world…

Okay so it deterred from the topic a bit .. guilty as charged for being semi-human, just as you said.

designers at Incspring/Brandstack are cooking up logos faster than you can say LOGO?

yes, I said that In a discussion in reply to Selvin Ortiz’s post. I also maintained “To Each his own!” even back then. People had a public discussion with Wes after that via Twitter.

You call me illiterate but you also have your facts twisted. MikeE is still a member, a featured member at that. Something that you are projecting is extremely bad. He also sold a logo there a few weeks ago.

And FYI I sold one logo a week after joining Incspring way back in February and haven’t sold any since. So please find out things before you make baseless statements like “yeah a few sales later your tone has changed, good girl, gooood girl, here you go up up…good girl.”

Sneh, it seems like you’re taking this personally and trying to pick out everything Moni says. While that is a good strategy for those that have no argument, it’s not the case here, nor is it welcome on cssdrive. Be constructive please and stick to the topic at hand.

I think PhilC has made the best point so far and I’m eager to discuss his ideas more on forming a group to up the scale/standards.